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Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar Hmm... Thu 6th May 2010 11:01am

Category: Business

It seems that the sponsorship process for MARDEK 3 doesn't look like it's going to go as smoothly as I might have liked.

The file is 19MB, and other developers are all generally seem to agree that this is far too large to be sponsored, it seems.
About 60% of the filesize is music, since there are about 73 tracks in the game, and some of these other developers suggested I just remove some tracks, but I really, really don't want to do that...

They suggestion of doing the game as a pay-to-download thing has come up multiple times; some developers would think it best to charge you money to play the game at all. Others still suggest creating a 'demo' version which I'd release to Flash sites which would link to the 'full version' to download.

I'm just curious about how you, the 'fans', feel about this.
Would you be willing to pay for the game download? How much?
Or would you hate the series if it was no longer free to play?

Either way, after all these years of effort, it's really disheartening to get to the point of release only to find that some stupid *technical problem* complicates everything and ruins all my plans... Sigh.

UPDATE: I've been reading a bit about money-making from Flash games, and it seems that my best bet might be to release a 'demo' version of the first few dungeons widely, but to have a $15 for-sale version on this site or something, with a link in the game directing people here. Whereas sponsorships rarely, if ever, make even $10,000, apparently some games that went with the full-version-for-sale method made upwards of $150,000... which is astonishing and quite a significant difference.

What are your reactions to this idea, people?


120 Commentson 77 roots

bill12358`s Avatar
Rating Orb bill12358 15 United States 6C 0F
8 years ago | (1)
I would definitely not want to pay for the game. I have been waiting for so long for the next installment of this awesome, free flash game, that it would be very disappointing if I had to pay for it. Since my parents don't let me purchase anything over the internet, I would be forced to give up the series which I have been waiting years for the release of the next chapter.
NyD`s Avatar
Rating Orb NyD 28 Germany PhlegmaticMelancholic 7C 0F
8 years ago | (0)
I also would also definitly pay for the full version of Mardek 3. (Even if it will be for free ... my original plan was to donate when its out - or buy the soundtrack and spend some extra money there.)

As has been mentioned a few times now, the problem is that many people here seem to be too young to be able or allowed to pay over the internet. For me it would not be a problem to pay more than those who can't and somehow I feel that they deserve to get the game since they waited for quite a long time now. On the other hand, Pseudo should of course be rewarded for his work. My suggestion for combining these two things:

1. Make a realistic guess about how much money you want and will be able to make with Mardek 3. (You don't have to announce the amount in the public)
2. Get sponsoring for a demo version.
3. Link to the full version which can be purchased for pay-what-you-like (minimum $5 or something?)
4. Do also link to Mardek 1 & 2 so everyone who is new to Mardek know what they are paying for
5. When you have made the amount of money that you guessed in 1. (by sponsored demo + purchased full version), give away the full version for free (those who want to pay shall of course still be able to.)

This way, you would still get all the money you can get from those of us who can and are willing to pay, while the younger fans just have to wait a bit longer

PS: I included point 4 because personally I rarely ever get the full version of a shareware game ... normally I am just happy playing through the demo since there is so much for free (and legally) in the internet. Mardek 3 is an exception, but only because I played through Mardek 1 & 2 and that's why know what I have to expect - which is much more than most games in the internet.
TheTruth`s Avatar
Rating Orb TheTruth 19 Canada PhlegmaticSanguine 13C 2F
8 years ago | (1)
I will definetely pay, ive waited forever constantly checking your updates I know how hard it is to create a game like this and the amount of time and effort you have put into not only this game but every other free game on this site, paying 15$ at least is nothing. I think this game is most likely worth more then 15$ dollars but due to the aspect of it being on the internet i beleive it may have an effect on how some people pay for it which will obviously be a problem. In conclusion.... haha pencil me in for the 15$ pseudo
Matoking`s Avatar
Rating Orb Matoking 15 14C 10F
8 years ago | (5)
73 tracks compressed into total size of around 10 Mb? Are you freaking kidding me? If you managed to compress them so hard and still keep them listenable, I'd say that's quite an achievement already.

Also, people who think it's risky to pay through the Internet watch too much Oprah.
skurr00`s Avatar
Rating Orb skurr00 26 United States 5C 0F
8 years ago | (4)
or have already been the victim of one of the million different virus programs created specifically to steal financial information. Those who completely disregard it don't watch enough actual news.

flash games are one of the more popular tools for planting a virus inside a computer, because the codes are fairly easy to crack, widely distributed and they don't prompt a permission request when downloading. so it's a legitimate concern to raise.
sstar1134`s Avatar
Rating Orb sstar1134 14 United States MelancholicSanguine 28C 1F
8 years ago | (3)
Well, if it were up to me, I would definitely pay money for your games. However, I'm one of the unfortunate teenagers who have to ask their parents first. They would never pay for a game on the computer for me to play, no matter how much I wanted them to. But to be on the fair and honest side. . .

It would seem that the smartest thing to do is to charge people for it, but then again, I don't think that many people would buy it. If anything, they might even stop visiting this site if they knew that the main attraction of it cost money. I wouldn't risk it. Not that the games aren't worth money; I've played them, and they're fantastic. Still, though, maybe not the best idea.

When I think of this site, I think of a place online where people can play games that they love, and express their opinions towards them. They can spend money on shirts and other merchandise, but the games that they all love are free for them to enjoy. If the opportunity to play the free games were taken away, the website would be completely different, thus no longer being as great a place as it is now.
FHDerek`s Avatar
Rating Orb FHDerek 9 United States PhlegmaticSanguine 3C 1F
8 years ago | (4)
I have a great idea!
Since Psuedo wants to make money,
he should divide parts with each price increasing so you can start at $5~$15,and so forth.
How do you like my idea?
But still,im not sure about the "money" idea.I am absolutely poor,and i cant pay for that cause.I`d have to replay demos,simply get bored wanting the full version,and pack my bags and move to another site,as i would hate to leave,but hey,cant pay cant stay.
skurr00`s Avatar
Rating Orb skurr00 26 United States 5C 0F
8 years ago | (4)
hmm... hard to say on this because Pseudo has a valid point that if he can make a good chunk of money off this, he'd be a fool not to.

but as a fan of this series i have to express some disappointment. I was looking forward to this, but not if i have to pay for it but if i only get a 'demo version'. if that's the case I'll probably just skip playing it altogether. I don't like playing through games like this for hours just to get to the good parts and suddenly it tells you 'to get the full version of this game go here and enter your credit card number'.

As i said before, Pseudo did put a lot of effort into this so I'm not gonna be all pouty if he decides to go that route, but he did ask for feedback on it and that's all this is.
Ooneykcall`s Avatar
Rating Orb Ooneykcall 21 Russia CholericMelancholic 145C 61F
8 years ago | (2)
Not going to speculate ramblingly on the issue, I'd like to say that, in my view, $15 seems quite much, for you 'fan base' being young. Many of them,I believe, wouldn't have more that $5 or so; still, you'll be able to earn a considerable amount of money with that price (not less than 6000 people playing in the first 3-4 months, I suppose). That seems quite fair to both sides, you and your games' devoted and passionate lovers.
*I'm now old enough to be allowed to pay via PayPal [if that's going to be an option] using father's cc, so yay.*
UncleRex`s Avatar
Rating Orb UncleRex 65 Mongolia Phlegmatic 123C 42F
8 years ago | (7)
What is more imoprtant, spreading your art to as many people as possible, or charging people money for something which costs no money, time, effort, etc. to produce, and so shouldn't ethically cost money: a copy of a file? You could always release a streamlined version of the game, sponsored, with lots of the music removed, followed within a few weeks by a link on your site to download the full game, all music included. (I know it is sad but most people probably mute the music anyway :/ ... )
Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar
Rating Orb A β Pseudolonewolf 23 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic 2257C 559F
8 years ago | (3)
So since the copy of the file can be produced in a few seconds, that means that it's not worth any money? Where do you think the *original file* came from? Don't you realise that THAT took a whole lot of time and effort and so on? If it weren't for that time and effort, there would be no *copies of the file*. What a horrible and selfish way of looking at it though...
And quite frankly, earning a living is more important to me than 'spreading my art to as many people as possible', because if I go with that approach, soon I'd not be able to make Flash games at all.
Raider Zero fan`s Avatar
Rating Orb Raider Zero fan 15 United States CholericSanguine 498C 371F
8 years ago | (3)
My personal opinion is that you should release most of the game for free, with a sort of "premium version" that would be worth somewhere around maybe $10-15, which is about the max most people I know who play flash games would pay for a really well-done one. My opinion for the free version is that it include the entireness of the basic plot and essential areas, but would only have a few soundtracks, which would be lower-quality versions to save filesize. A lot of side quests and secret dungeons could be removed, leaving a couple just to interest the player further. The premium version would be a download, with the full and best of everything.

My personal opinion about the monetary gain from the game would be to go the route of Mochigames; basically, sell fun things that aren't plot-relevant, such as alternative character sprites (ie something like an "orc pack" could replace all the character's portraits, pixel-y sprites, and battle sprites with Orc-ified versions of them) and powerful or out of place weapons, for low RL prices. This way, people can still get a great experience from the free game and end up liking it, but people who are really into it or are comfortable doling out money on a flash game can get something extra to give them an advantage.
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