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Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar Ugh, children. Mon 27th Dec 2010 10:25pm

Category: General Bitterness

Hello there. I would like to explain the latest poll.

It really bothers me how young some of the members are on this site. I didn't make the site for children. I don't even *like* children; I happen to find them rather annoying. Ideally it'd attract people closer to my own age, though I am aware that unfortunately the Flash-game-playing audience isn't that sort of age.

To get an idea of why this sort of thing might bother me, imagine yourself making a website, a community, so as to attract people you can talk to, to relate to as equals, or people who might like the sorts of things you make.
How might you feel if you mainly seemed to attract people roughly *half your age*? Would you feel proud? Satisfied? Would you, at age 22, feel good about yourself knowing that you spent most of your time talking to 11-year-olds?

It also bothers me when preteens act as if they're so clever and 'mature' and on the same mental level as adults or something. This comes across as arrogant to me, largely because I've always had a strong 'know your place' mentality and would never have dared do such a thing myself at so young an age. I feel that some things need to be earned, by ageing, and aren't merely available to anyone of any age simply because they want them to be.

Any of you who've had a 7-year-old relative would realise that most of them can't ever admit they're wrong and think they're great, and will throw a tantrum if you suggest that they're not on the same level as people much older than they are. But you can also see that they are *not* on the same level as people older than them; they've got a long way to go. They cannot see that because they've yet to grow to the point where they can understand it, and you can remember back to when you were that age and realise how far you've come since then.
I can remember what it was like to be 12 or 13, and understand exactly how much development is still necessary from that age before one truly becomes 'mature' rather than just pretentiously pretending to be more mature than you really are...
It's also a shame that people waste their only, single, precious childhood trying to be adults when they've got the whole rest of their life to be doing that. They waste their only chance to be playing with toys instead trying to 'participate in intellectual discussions', which just makes me grate my teeth because of the unnaturalness of it all.

Hmm, I'm ranting. But I'm just trying to explain my own views about people of these ages.

Something I did want to mention though is the reason why this thought has come to mind lately, about there being too many under-13's here.
Apparently there is a US law thing referred to as COPPA, the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act.
Basically, it just forbids website owners from gathering information from under-13's without their parents' permission. It applies to sites situated in the US (which this might count as; even though I'm not American, my webhost is), as well as sites that attract US visitors and knowingly gather data from its young citizens.
So technically it is *illegal* for people under the age of 13 to join. This is why many sites forbid people so young from joining, and why I feel that I need to as well. Otherwise I could get into trouble one day over it, and that would just be awful since the site would be ruined due to something that's been frustrating me for ages anyway...

I don't know if I'm going to DO anything about this at the moment, but I am just explaining the reasoning for things.
How I wish that young children could just *not join* out of respect for laws and rules and things, but no, people are ABOVE these laws and rules and will just lie to get what they please... I hate that sort of thing. That sense of *inherent entitlement* that characterises so many people these days.
"I WANT it. How dare you DENY me this? That's PREJUDICED. You're AGEIST. I'll take it anyway. What I want is more important than what you want."

Anyway, from bitter ranting about one thing I hate, to bitter ranting about another thing I hate! My posts are always full of such joy.

There's this site that many of you are probably disturbingly already aware of called 'ArcadePreHacks'... The very fact that such a site exists at all really bothers me for moral reasons, and I wouldn't know of it at all if it wasn't for people telling me on an almost weekly basis that there are some of my games on there, including Deliverance and Beast Signer, which I never properly released.

Can't people just play the games *properly*? Why must they *cheat*? I can't understand how people can gain any satisfaction from the experience, knowing that they're getting things far too cheaply and without any time or skill of their own being invested into it. It can't feel like you truly, properly *earn* things...

Anyway, I don't know what to think of my games being on there.
It strongly bothers me, again for 'moral reasons'. I hate the thought that some stranger's stolen my games, gutted them, rearranged their innards, and then submitted them as his own altered versions... They're defiled. All, of course, without my permission.
For any artist, this sort of thing is like spitting on their very soul, I imagine.

However, I am aware that my own name and branding has been left in, unchanged, so that people can get back to this site from there, giving me hits. For that reason, I've mostly just left them alone, thinking that if some people get their fun that way and I can get some hits out of it, then fair enough.

But it's mentioned to me so very often that I don't know if I can put up with it anymore. I wonder how any of these people who report it to me know about it in the first place; do they visit that foul site of their own accord?
I'd like my games removed from there, since the immorality of it all seems to outweigh any potential benefits that this site would get. Besides, I don't even really want the sorts of lowlifes that lurk there spilling over to this site...
I'm not sure how to have them removed though, so if anyone can help me with that either by getting them removed for me, or by directing me to somewhere where I can do that, then I'd appreciate it.

I am also interested in hearing though how people would think of my decision about that. Should I NOT want them removed?

Anyway, I feel I've been very bitter and hateful here and won't be surprised if anyone's view of my is lowered, but, uh... this is what I have said, anyway. Yes.


36 Commentson 17 roots

LightningSlash`s Avatar
Rating Orb LightningSlash 15 United States SanguineMelancholic 132C 8F
7 years ago | (3)
I know Arcadeprehacks, and what I think is mainly the point is to play an RPG easily to find out the Story with no effort. >.<
And some people like playing games while dominating all others with 'cheathackz powah muahahaha' and such.

The main reason I'm posting is that you seem to not know that you can ask them to forbid your games getting on there. Ninjakiwi got them to not allow people to Hack Bloons Tower Defense 3, And you could do that too.

I tried playing MARDEK 3 there to see how bad it might be. Mardek was level 137 by the end of the Dark Temple. I literally could not even save that game because of that. Apparently the game file grows bigger the Stronger Mardek gets.

So do some 'Official Developer' meeting or request or whatever. Maybe go to Ninjkiwi's site and ask him Developer to Developer how to do all that. Good luck Pseudo!
cofro17`s Avatar
Rating Orb cofro17 20 United States 14C 0F
7 years ago | (7)
dear pseudo

i would like to start by quoting Jesus

"Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

and Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young (they are a guitar band so you may not have heard of them)

"Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by."

the purpose of quoting these two verses of scripture is to show you that both Jesus and Niel Young want you to be kinder to those younger than yourself.


but on a more serious note; i love your games. I think that they are some of the most finely crafted flash games out there. I believe that i would enjoy your games much more if you were not such a bigot. I've been reading through posts and many of the people who are arguing against you have very excellent and logical points that you just kind of blow off. I know you have reached a state of heightened learning, but that is no excuse for being a jerk. You always talk about how "religious" people are close-minded, but i believe you are just as close-minded. I feel a little bad for confronting you in this way, but i am consoled that the fact that you will probably just think that you are superior to me.

Sunflower`s Avatar
Rating Orb β Sunflower 19 Poland PhlegmaticSanguine 73C 22F
7 years ago | (5)
Dear cofro,
I would like to start by reminding you that at the beginning of paragraph we do use capital letters. Also, it applies to word "I" as well, no matter if it's at the beginning of sentence, or in the middle. If you're self-degrading yourself by writing this word with smaller letter than you're supposed to, you shouldn't complain when some people will actually think they're superior to you. It's not that I think so, but it's good to remember. ^^

But on a more serious note: it seems you find exhilarating quoting Jesus (who's religious authority) and guitar band (while Pseudo hates guitars as a symbol) to Pseudo. I don't really think so, also, I don't really think Pseudo will care about it anyway. I personally rather like children, but also I can understand that not everybody have to (because children can be annoying, especially when they try to seem more adult). I don't want to say all children are like that (because it's not the true), but it applies to many of them. Also, it must be really irritating, when you can't feel comfortable in your own place, and that's how feels Pseudo on his site (yes, he considers this site as his own place, and I see no reason why he wouldn't), because e.g. he can't talk freely about some topics he would like to, because they're inappropriate (or maybe just boring) for too young children. After all children have different problems (don't tell me they don't), and Pseudo would like to talk with someone who has the same ones. At least that's roughly what he mentioned somewhere, maybe here.
Oh, and there are also legal issues connected with US law (COPPA it was), which make him even more skeptical about too young children.
So yes, while I rather like children and disagree with idea of banning lower than 13-years olds, I also can see why not everybody must be so enthusiastic about them (and if it comes with around-Christmas depression, we have such posts; if you except Pseudo to be kind to younger than himself all the time, no matter what happens, you probably lack tolerance for humans imperfections). Also, Pseudo actually gave up idea of banning those children, which he mentioned in Oops post.

Also, what do you mean by Pseudo being a jerk? I mean, where Pseudo said how "religious" people are closed-minded? What was the context? Was he referring to every single religious person? Because, let it be, saying that creationism with only a few thousands years old world must be the true version and not even considering that there's another possibility is... yes, it's good example of closed-mindness. Also, could you give me a link to the comments where "people who are arguing against Pseudo have very excellent and logical points" and another ones, where Pseudo "kind of blew these points off"? I mean, saying something like this without examples is not really credible. ^^'
cofro17`s Avatar
Rating Orb cofro17 20 United States 14C 0F
7 years ago | (2)
haha. thanks for the reply sunflower, i found it quite informative. I feel that the proof-reading of my grammar was unnecessary (I am an english major. i know how to write properly and eloquently when i please, its just that i spend so much of my time writing formally that it is nice to not care once in a while). I would have liked to have supplied links (i feel like i have some amount of knowledge of psuedo's religious beliefs, i have been a follower on this site for quite a while), its just that i lost interest in the post. My loss of interest is actually quite sad because i believe that everyone on this forum deserves better of me and in the future i will strive to do so, its just at the time i was tired and cranky and feeling like a troll. My apologies
skeletalserpent`s Avatar
Rating Orb skeletalserpent 14 Canada CholericMelancholic 44C 38F
7 years ago | (6)

Huh. I'm not even going to say anything about age, because everything has been said. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is this. [LINK] [I couldn't find the real thing] So just make formal parameters for 'constructive', 'mature', etc., and all your problems will be solved! Oh, and are 14 year olds any better?

About hacking in games: [LINK]
Take sonny. I didn't have the patience to actually play through the game, but I wanted the plot. So I went to arcadeprehacks. Helmi of, for example, puts the cheats on the page. Mostly, (as far as I know) cheating in games (for more than one 'fun' minute) to make it fun. The game is to hard, the battles are too annoying, etc. I personally didn't finish M3 because the battles/random encounters took too long, and just looked up the rest of the plot on the wiki.

I wonder if someone will actually put together a team or something to make [LINK] . I suppose telephones and computers used to be impossible, too.....
KK Twain`s Avatar
Rating Orb KK Twain 17 United States CholericPhlegmatic 18C 0F
7 years ago | (7)
Hmm, the child debate is very interesting to read. Banning <13 year olds would be very difficult, since most <13 kids just say they ARE thirteen or older. Sometimes I pretend to be >18 online, since that's less likely to restrict me in any way. (One more year and that will be the truth!) I have met some very intelligent/mature people online who ended up being in their early teens, and I have met online people who were highly immature adults. So I think individual personality comes into account as well, especially in the teen years. I do agree that people under 13 are far more likely to be immature, and not know proper internet behavior. (Heck, there's a lot of adults who don't understand that, sadly. Very sadly.)

Also, I don't know if you'd be interested in this, however I do think it was relevant:
Holly Lisle is a published fiction author who also sells a lot of ebooks online about writing, including books on plot, characters, setting, language, and other interesting stuff. Anyway, she wrote the above article on attracting the people you want to your site. So maybe reading through it will help get rid of the people you don't want? Hope it helps, anyway.
gnome`s Avatar
Rating Orb gnome 19 United States PhlegmaticCholeric 386C 81F
7 years ago | (4)
So, I haven't noticed anyone say anything about the APH problem yet (more probably, my brief skim of the page yielded nothing conclusive), so I'll go ahead, if I may. At the bottom of their main page, there's a little disclaimer of sorts:
[I]f you're a game developer and see your game on this site and you would like it to be removed, please contact us at admin[@]

I can't really offer any thoughtful inquiry at the moment, but here's wishing you the best of luck in your near-future endeavors, whatever they may be.
max1995`s Avatar
Rating Orb max1995 16 Portugal CholericSanguine 39C 0F
7 years ago | (6)
There is no use of banning children under 13 because if they are minimally intelligent, by choosing their age they can change it, rising it....
For what i know there CAN be adults in this site which appear to be 14 or kids with 26 ...

In my opinion, i don´t favor their ban because behavior and intelligence doesn´t rely in age ( well the older you are, more wisdom you get through the years and....) BUT behavior is something really different (an adult in a moody day can be worse than a child trying to participate in a intellectual debate)

It varies case by case....
Onisuzume`s Avatar
Rating Orb β Onisuzume 24 European Union Melancholic 134C 259F
7 years ago | (9)
I wonder...
Basically, you are non-profit since you have to rely on adverts, sponsorships, donations, and third-party website sales.
As such, it might be possible that you might be exempt from the USAsian COPPA because of section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act?
Ref. COPPA Act of 1998 Sec. 1302 (Definitions) 2B: does not include any nonprofit entity that would otherwise be exempt from coverage under section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 45).
Additionally, the only personal information that you might be collecting is their IP-Adress, age, and gender, however, I am unsure if that alone would allow one to contact another individual. e-mail, first/last name, etc. are entirely optional. As it is right now, pseudo would have to request contact information from the 13/under in order to be able to contact the 13/under's parents/guardians.

In short, you should be, technically, safe.

"Sites that allow children on them require that parents authorize it."
Yes, and pseudo would LOVE to do all the additional paperwork, and such.
Not really, no.
quiznossubs92`s Avatar
Rating Orb quiznossubs92 19 United States MelancholicCholeric 34C 0F
7 years ago | (6)
On the issue of younger people posting their thoughts and comments here:
I do personally believe that just about anyone can offer you constructive advice about your games if they sit down and make a solid attempt at playing them. The younger generation is perfect for this role. They will tend to have more free time to kill on flash games and commenting on what they want out of them. Now I know that game commentary and feedback is a very important aspect of this website, but I've also been here long enough to know that Pseudo also occasionally likes to post topics about philosophy, faith and religion or lack thereof.
MOST, not all, of younger people in my experience will do one of two things when discussing beliefs about religion. They tend to either parrot the beliefs of someone they respect, or rebel against the beliefs they've been taught.
A person in either situation does not have the depth of knowledge needed to partake in serious discussions about the topic.
All in all, the large majority of users here are here solely for the games. But there are still plenty of people here that also enjoy a good serious discussion about serious topics, without the unformed thoughts and opinions of younger folk.
If the banning of <13 year old's is likely to become a serious issue legally, then I would suggest implementing a ban immediately.
However, if it does not seem likely to become a legal issue I would suggest limiting the content that younger users could post on in order to only view comments on certain topics that are likely to be better thought out.
As for sites like APH and others:
Yes, having stuff that you've devoted years of your life to at this point stolen sucks. Its perfectly alright to feel bitter and resentful about it and anyone who would judge you negatively for that isn't mature enough to understand the problems you're facing anyways.
Unfortunately no one individual or small community like this one can really make a dent in internet piracy or attempt to instill all the users of the world wide web with a good sense of morals. This is the place people go to escape from the real world and are free to be someone completely different from what they actually are, hidden behind the mask of anonymity.
Anyways while you can't completely stop some people from stealing your stuff you can certainly stop some other websites from endorsing it.
Novani`s Avatar
Rating Orb Novani 20 United States Melancholic 17C 40F
7 years ago | (7)
Children will be Children as a guy that never really grew up but is still considered mature I know how some kids can be. They will join out of rebellion and spite so it is kind of pointless to point out the fact they are too young. Most of the kids on these sites are usually mature enough to understand that by breaking rules they will be punished so most don't do things that are too bad on the forums. By openly banning anyone under 13 they will just hide. Better to let them join ambiguously and see if they are mature enough to uphold the rules. If they are not then punish them accordingly.
minaly22`s Avatar
Rating Orb minaly22 15 Taiwan MelancholicPhlegmatic 8C 8F
7 years ago | (6)
I personally agree about the age part,sometimes seeing people under 13 chatting about "sex" stuff makes me very sick.

Though,one thing that I need to remind Psuedo is that,some of the Taiwanese mini-games/flash games website also contain your games ( though not like APH,to be rewritten or cheated,just putted up somewhere else without your permission) and if you need it,I will send them e-mails about removing it from their sites.

By the cheating part,cheat engine also seems to work on all the MARDEK series (personally i "used" to cheat for money,but not anymore),some flash games from other sites were also cheatable with cheat engine,but later got edited and became uncheatable (dont ask me how they did it....I totally have no idea).

Another thing that I would like to discuss about is the mentality and age stuff,personally I do agree that its very unnatural to waste ones childhood to try and become more mature (which most Taiwanese children were FORCED to do so,including myself)

But one of my concerns is that,you can change your age in the stat edits,meaning once you think about repeling members under 13,they might aswell jump into the stat edit and change their age to over 18 or something,making member ages very.....un-reliable ( is this the word? or should I use unbelievable?)

So lets think of ways to get rid of this stuff,together.
Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar
Rating Orb A β Pseudolonewolf 23 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic 2257C 559F
7 years ago | (5)
Flash games are made to be freely distributed amongst portals by their nature. If you ever come across my games anywhere, then as long as they've got my and my sponsor's branding in them (that is, they say they were made by me and have a link to my site and the sponsor's site), then there's nothing wrong there.
It's only a problem if the person or site has removed my branding and replaced it with their own, claiming that they made it. That's illegal.
minaly22`s Avatar
Rating Orb minaly22 15 Taiwan MelancholicPhlegmatic 8C 8F
7 years ago | (4)
Oh,if thats so I think that i shouldnt bother that site then,because they have the LINK thingy to kongregate and have a LINK to your sites aswell.

Something that Im feeling not really comfrotable about seems some players are going to fan-sub it (in other words,translate it)to chinese,and I really worry about your copyright over there.....
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