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Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar Rating your own posts Sat 20th Aug 2011 5:54pm

Category: The New Site

I'm still working on the new version on the site, and progress is coming along slowly but surely. I was going to write about this in more detail in tomorrow's Weekly Update, but I may as well say something here since I might not even write one of those tomorrow.

I'm still focusing on the basic stuff. I've got a layout sorted out, and I think it looks okay, but it's annoying how it doesn't really fit very well on smaller screens... Ugh, I'm likely going to have to do some rethinking about it.

I've added the ability to make accounts, and to comment with them. Userpages work, though they lack a lot of content; they have tabs like the current ones, but most of the tab page things are currently empty.
I can also write blog posts.
The UFELTA rating system is implemented and works.

There's still a lot left to do, though. Major features like the forum, chatroom, virtual currency system and so on, but also a lot of minor features like the 'n pages' interface that appears at the end of comment sections...

Anyway, ideas for the new site have been coming to me as I work on it, and I want to talk about two of them here.

Temperaments -> Auras
I've been wondering whether to rename the temperaments to 'Auras' or something on the new site, and rather than melancholic, sanguine, choleric and phlegmatic, they'd be blue (or purple), yellow, red and green, or something.
The descriptions and ideas for them would be the same, but it might be sort of nice to separate the concept from the old idea of the 'four humours', since it seems that some people dismiss the temperaments concept due to its dodgy origins.
People also probably misinterpret the temperaments as moods due to their expressive icons, so changing to 'auras' would change the icons too...

It's just a vague idea; I might not even do it. I'm mainly mentioning it here so that if I do, you've been warned.

(EDIT: I probably won't do this after all; ignore it.)

Rating your own posts
This is what the title of this thing refers to.
It's basically a way of getting people to think more about what they type... as well as providing an interesting look into peoples' minds or something.

What would happen is that when you click the Submit button for a comment, the text entry area would change to a thing asking you how pleased you are with your post, offering a five-point scale and requiring you to choose one. This value would then show on that post so others could see it.

The values might be something like 'Very Satisfied' to 'Not Satisfied at all', or perhaps things like Great, Good, Okay, Poor, Rubbish... Or maybe it'd even ask how much *effort* you put in, with choices like Loads, Quite a Bit, Some, Not Much, None. Or something.

I suppose it would serve to encourage people to read things more, or something? Or at least to make people think about whether what they're writing is worthwhile... It'd be interesting to see how a post's ratings compare to its author's assessment of it.
Or if the assessment does relate to the effort involved, then, well, wouldn't you like a way to basically say 'I put a lot of effort into this, so I'd appreciate ratings or replies' without having to explicitly say that yourself?

It's just an idea; it might not *work* or anything. I'd like to know what you think and whether I should add it or not! (Since I haven't yet.)

I'll probably write news posts fairly often regarding progress on the new site, so, uh, look out for them if you're interested!


9 Commentson 7 roots

Varyx`s Avatar
Rating Orb E β Varyx 19 Australia MelancholicCholeric 210C 28F
7 years ago | (1)
I'm glad you ended up deciding against the "aura" system, because I'd rather the temperaments were still characterised in a similar way as here, but one of the good things about the auras (in visual terms- without the current facial expressions that they mimic) is that they wouldn't lead to people misusing them as "emoticons" or whatever, or saying "I'm feeling really today!! >:(" which is kind of irritating for me personally...

However, I think rating your own posts is something which won't really catch on. I guess if you made it *optional* I wouldn't actively oppose it, but anything that is just one more thing to do before I publish my thoughts makes me more likely to say "Uh... On second thoughts, this isn't a very good post -- I should probably not even bother pressing Submit." and wander off to go do something which doesn't force me to be judged in every single way. Or something.
Seagaia`s Avatar
Rating Orb Seagaia 19 United States MelancholicCholeric 12C 4F
7 years ago | (1)
If anything I think self-ratings can only help people grow with their self-analysis and reflection. Of course, the only way the entire system would work is if everyone actively uses UFELTA - since the self-rater needs feedback to analyze and see if their views of themselves are realistic and in line with the views of community members. For example, if I rated my post as "great!" but only one person said it was "terrible!" then that would encourage some reflection on my part, but not as much as if 6 or 7 people rated it or something.

In any case, I think the self-rating system would work well, if you make it visible only to the user or something, or people that rate the post.

I was also just thinking. Currently I believe you said the UFELTA ratings would be public. Wouldn't it be better to make them public to a user only after they rate the post? That way you avoid influences like "going with the pack" when voting on a post. A user who dislikes a post may be discouraged at rating something poor if 4 other people rated it highly, for example.

Mehi`s Avatar
Rating Orb Mehi 16 United States PhlegmaticCholeric 719C 113F
7 years ago | (3)
So where is this new site that you're making? Is it going to be this site renewed, or a totally new address?
hlbeta`s Avatar
Rating Orb hlbeta 22 United States CholericMelancholic 144C 131F
7 years ago | (4)
I just don't see self rating adding much to the site. It'd add an extra step to posting while tacking on some meaningless, unsubstantiated number to each and every post. It's kind of like having a little prompt pop up to ask you if your post is actually worth anybody's time. Problem users won't stop because of it and decent users may end up agonizing over the value of their post. It's silly and only serves to hamper the kind of user we want to encourage.

As for the temperaments, though they may be directly tied to a school of medical thought that took exsanguination for a cure-all, I'd rather see them remain in their current form. In order to ensure that they are used more appropriately, you may want to have the stat editing page explain each one a little better. Right now it's just a block of text explaining what a temperament is with a link to the temperament page and "[TEMPERAMENT] DESCRIPTION" tacked on at the end. Having it explain individual temperaments instead should help to increase understanding and thereby reduce misuses of the system. Besides, if they're changed than the temperament poles from M3 are going to make a whole lot less sense.
Brilliand`s Avatar
Rating Orb Brilliand 23 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic 27C 6F
7 years ago | (3)
I like the idea of rating you own posts, but I think we should be able to change our self-ratings at any time. It would be rather horrible to give a post top ratings, only to find out afterwards that it was loaded with typos. Also, it seems that a post that the person thought little of up front would be a post that you didn't want on your site at all... a post that the person thought much of at the time, but little of the next day would make more sense.

I guess this does risk people changing their self-ratings to line up with other people's ratings... but at the same time, that might not be a bad thing.
Abbx901`s Avatar
Rating Orb Abbx901 15 Pakistan SanguineCholeric 149C 20F
7 years ago | (3)
Wonderful concept. (@Tthophat is going to kill me.) The concept of Auras is immediately striking and enticing than the moods thing, which sounds psychological and rather vague. It is a worthwhile thing to do, and will also present a sense of novelty and freshness to the site, rather than giving the impression of copy-pasting what's left of the last fighunter site. So yay! Definitely go ahead with it.
I would also like to mention an idea. If people choose red and yellow for instance (auras) then you could change it to orange, and by hovering your mouse over it, it'd show that it's red and yellow or something. Those whose primary is red will have a darker orange, and those whose yellow is primary will have a lighter orange. It's just an idea. Hope you like it.
The second idea is good too, but it makes me wonder whether people will give themselves maximum points just for kicks or something.
Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar
Rating Orb A β Pseudolonewolf 23 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic 2257C 559F
7 years ago | (2)
I considered using blended colours like that, but it doesn't work very well for most combinations, it seems. Red/yellow is about the only one that it *does* work cleanly for.

Peoples' 'ratings' on their own posts wouldn't count towards anything; all they'd do is show the person's attitude towards their own comments. If they consistently gave themselves the 'top marks' or whatever for short sentences and so on, all it'd do is show that they either don't care or they're extremely deluded.
(Saying that a single sentence took 'loads of effort' doesn't put anyone in a good light, though...)
Abbx901`s Avatar
Rating Orb Abbx901 15 Pakistan SanguineCholeric 149C 20F
7 years ago | (2)
Hmm... yes. Maybe you could change the colours to something more primary I guess, but maybe those primary tones wouldn't really reflect the mood. Or maybe you could try a few crazy combinations, like green and purple make maroon or something. It might require some explaining to the public then I guess. In that case, it won't have to be long, but just a simple statement that a combination of Melancholic and Phlegmatic gives you a maroon Aura.
And yes, what you say in Paragraph 2 is quite logical, so no argument there. I would like for you to answer that rather long comment I made about religion and Islam and God and stuff. Please.
TTophat`s Avatar
Rating Orb TTophat 17 United States CholericPhlegmatic 42C 50F
7 years ago | (5)
I suppose I'll get right on this. Renaming the temperaments is a terrible and pointless idea. There is no reason to do so, and while I do realize that they are not moods, they can be used to decently express temporary emotions. But, besides that, it would simply be...inaccurate to rename them. The historical side of the temperaments also offers some nice trivia.

Besides, by keeping them as the temperaments, there is an easier method for people to do further research themselves, without confusing them at all. Making them "auras" just seems like one of those gimmicks that certain sites do.
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