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Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar Lots of lists! Mon 22nd Aug 2011 2:39pm

Category: The New Site

Something that I'm trying to do with the new site is have information on profiles more categorised... That is, you'd choose things like your race and religion from a drop-down menu rather than writing whatever strikes your fancy.
It'd make it possible to generate statistics for the site - how many Muslims are there? Are most members White? - and it'd discourage whimsical entries in those fields.

There are obvious issues, though. Would it even be possible to make reasonable lists for every religion that anyone could possibly have? Or every race?

I'm going to present here some lists of things, and if you think that certain categories are missing, then mention them and I'll append them to the lists.

Also, the accounts will ask for more information this time. It'll all be optional, of course; you won't HAVE to provide anything that you don't want to provide. Some things asked for might include height and weight, and general physical build, as well as eye and hair colour. I see them as trivial and mildly interesting facts that people could provide in order to say more about themselves, or something, and I like gathering statistics and generating graphs based on those statistics. How tall and heavy is the average Fig Hunter? What colour hair or eyes are most common? Do most people here wear glasses? And so on.

I can understand some people wanting to escape the physical reality of their bodies online, and as such would feel uncomfortable providing their weight or height - particularly if they're unflattering - but as I said, it's all optional.

Anyway, here are some lists of things; tell me if something important is missing, or if you feel that none of the entries in general are adequate, feel free to provide alternative lists that could replace these.

Races
Mixed Race
Arctic (Siberian, Eskimo)
White Caucasian
Indian
Middle Eastern
Caucasian, Other
Indigenous Australian
Native American
North East Asian (Mongol, Tibetan, Korean, Japanese, etc)
South East Asian (Chinese, Thai, Malay, Filipino, etc)
Pacific (Polynesian, Micronesian, etc)
West African, Bushmen, Ethiopian
- Central and/or South American?
- 'Hispanic'? (Does this come under any others?)
Other Race

Religious Beliefs
Unsure
None
Atheism
Agnostic Atheism
Agnostic Theism
Ancient (Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Norse, etc)
Baha'i
Buddhism
Christianity - Protestantism
Christianity - Catholicism
Christianity - Orthodoxy
Christianity - LDS (Mormonism)
Christianity - Jehovah's Witnesses
Christianity - Other
Confucianism
Deism
Discordianism
Esotericism
Hinduism
Islam
Jainism
Jediism
Judaism
Paganism - Wicca
Paganism - Other
Pantheism
Pastafarianism
Satanism
Scientology
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Other

Physical Builds
Skinny
Slim
Athletic
Average
Muscular
Plump
Obese

Hair Colours
Brown
Black
Blonde
Auburn
Chestnut
Red
Grey/White
Unnatural (Green, Pink, etc)

Eye Colours
Blue
Brown
Grey
Green
Hazel
Amber
Red or Violet
Black
Heterochromatic

Sexuality
Heterosexual
Homosexual
Bisexual
Asexual
Pansexual
Other
Don't know

Interests could also be chosen from drop-down lists or something, but the lists would be populated by things that interests that other members had provided on their profiles. I'm not sure yet how to make this work properly though (so that things like 'guitars' and 'giutars' don't end up as different interests, and so that people will be encouraged to choose from the drop down list instead of just writing their own and adding duplicates)...

Anyway, yes, if something seems missing, then tell me...!
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m1k3`s Avatar
Rating Orb m1k3 16 United States PhlegmaticSanguine 22C 1F
6 years ago | (4)
"Satanism." These statistics are going to have problems. This has already been said to some extent, but I think it might be worth a closer look.

There is one essential problem with most of these lists, especially the religious beliefs one- they are too comprehensive. There are so many options, some of them almost ridiculous, that the point of having a drop down box rather than a free response is half defeated. Random frivolous answers will be eliminated, certainly, and statistics will be much easier kept. However, random frivolous answers will be replaced by frivolous answers from the drop-down box. This is what I meant when I put Satanism in quotes and called some of those options ridiculous. People who would put "Ragfla'jkiokin" as their religion will most likely enter something they think sounds cool or funny, with Pastafarianism, Jediism, and Satanism as leading candidates. Not to say these are illegitimate or inferior religions, of course, but at some point some must be ruled too small or insignificant to the case at hand to be list items. Let's be honest- how many followers of Shinto (a mainly Japanese religion, I believe, correct?) do you expect a site in English like this to attract? The same goes for many of the others. Many of the religions listed are simply not widespread at all in the West, which is the source of a large majority of this site's followers. The other lists are similar, with the options "heterochromatic" eyes, "unnatural" hair color, and "pansexual" being likely to be over-represented due to people's trying to be funny. The "other" option is there for a reason.

I understand how you would want to have just about everyone's choice available, but in my opinion, this cannot be done while keeping the statistics as true to reality as possible. Now, if you care more about having statistics than making sure they're very accurate, or if you disagree with the likelihood of relatively large numbers of people choosing the more exotic options, or if you just value people having their exact choice too much to change the list, then this comment is pretty irrelevant. However, as you can tell, my suggestion would be to trim the list down for the statisics' sake. Alternatively, you could gather the statistics only from "active" members of the site, meaning ones who've logged in in a certain period of time. Naturally, this will include more regulars of the site than occasional visitors. These more regular site visitors woud probably be more serious about it, so the list could be spared cutting with minimal errors in the statisics. I hope you've all found this post more insightful or interesting than annoying. Thanks for reading, m1k3 (Why do I always sign these? I don't know.)
JiQi`s Avatar
Rating Orb JiQi 99 Montserrat PhlegmaticMelancholic 41C 9F
6 years ago | (1)
I do not agree with you about trimming down the lists.
However long or short you make them, you have absolutely no way to force people to be honest, especially idiots or trolls.
Also, if I were a member of some really minorous minority who somehow found his way to Fig Hunter dot com, I'd be really pleased to find just the right option, not something similar to it, or "other"(Which, I think, will have to be chosen by someone anyway)
And I don't see anything wrong about some options not being chosen at all.
Besides I think you can find some Shintoists or people with coloured hair in this community.
On the other hand, making statistics about active members only seems a very good idea.
Anyway, I see you've put a lot of thought into your comment.
JiQi`s Avatar
Rating Orb JiQi 99 Montserrat PhlegmaticMelancholic 41C 9F
6 years ago | (0)
EDIT: excuse me, there are no active Japanese members at Fighunter - so not likely any Shintoists. I've just checked. Oh well |-[
But in general, I'm not changing my mind.
Eragon`s Avatar
Rating Orb Eragon 14 Italy MelancholicPhlegmatic 142C 31F
6 years ago | (2)
Actually, there's no japanes member on FigHunter, but there is at least one Shintoist member: Rating Orb β Onisuzume.
Actually, the nationality doesn't influence your Religion choices, being from U.S.A. doesn't mean that you must be Christian (Since many USAsian thinks that USA are the most important Christian country.), as being from Middle East doesn't mean that you must be Muslim.
So, if one person is from a country in where the main religion is Christianity/Muslim/Shinto this doesn't mean that the person must be Christian/Muslim/Shintoist.
Drostie`s Avatar
Rating Orb Drostie 26 Netherlands SanguineMelancholic 78C 65F
6 years ago | (4)
Don't forget that you can always do it both ways. Religion: (Christian) - "Episcopalian." In such a case, the first is an aspect of the category system; the second is a short free-text space to explain further what you mean.

Also don't forget that links are a powerful social force as much as anything else. When bloggers start tagging entries, the reason that they do it is so that they can click on a tag to get a list of posts on the same subject. Tagging systems can be dynamic and don't have to be restricted to a fixed set of options.

So, perhaps consider setting up your database to understand religions as a pure text type -- when someone types 4 characters or so, you issue a query to grab a list of religions already provided by users which contain those 4 characters. People will be more likely to categorize themselves with others who have chosen the same name. It's especially forceful if you post a link to a query of "members with this religion" in it -- like, a religion could maybe say "Episcopalian (4)", with the (4) being a link to query the people registered for that tag. With an indexing type like VARCHAR or a database like Couch which is designed to optimize for such things, there is no reason why you couldn't get this to work speedily. On the other hand, religion could be chunked well-enough, I think, when categorized the way you've provided, I think.

This sort of approach is more important for your interest in "likes" and "dislikes". If I type in "kittens" to my comma-separated list of likes, that might produce "kittens (341)" indicating a similar link -- 341 people like kittens. And so on. The links will themselves convince people to choose "likes" which are already popular.
Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar
Rating Orb A β Pseudolonewolf 23 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic 2257C 559F
6 years ago | (1)
I thought I already mentioned in some comment that I'd be willing to allow for elaboration on one of the list choices, like that...

But yes, that's what I'm going to be doing for Interests, like how Facebook does it, so maybe I should just scrap the idea of drop-down lists for other things and use the same kind of system? The main thing that bothers me about it though is people making completely frivolous entries, or using poor spelling, or writing things like 'kitehs ^___^' or 'ktians' rather than 'kittens', resulting in dodgy statistics...
And we'll get loads of people who don't have *blue* eyes, they have 'electric blue' or 'gunmetal blue' or 'azure' or other such pretentious things which will again bugger up the results...

Perhaps it's something I can try experimenting with it today, anyway.
dragenrder`s Avatar
Rating Orb dragenrder 15 United States PhlegmaticCholeric 39C 8F
6 years ago | (3)
On the religions page people who are Mormon (LDS) prefer to be called as mormons first, and as LDS 2nd
Ajbcool`s Avatar
Rating Orb E β Ajbcool 23 United States SanguinePhlegmatic 290C 148F
6 years ago | (2)
Actually not, as I'm LDS, and we'd prefer to be noted as members of our church instead of "Mormons". Though it's not a BIG issue, but we'd prefer it.
Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar
Rating Orb A β Pseudolonewolf 23 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic 2257C 559F
6 years ago | (3)
I wish people would read the other comments before posting...

"Oh, it should be Race, not Ethnicities" ... "You should change Race to Ethnicity!"
"Zoroastrianism is barely worth including, you should remove it" ... "Why isn't Zoroastrianism on the list?"
"You should change Mormonism to LDS" ... "LDS should changed to Mormonism!"

Back and forth...
vinnie879`s Avatar
Rating Orb vinnie879 19 Netherlands MelancholicCholeric 79C 0F
6 years ago | (3)
Ok everyone:

First read the article,
Then think of 'improvements',
Then read ALL the other comments,
THEN you can post your comment.

Dont bother people with repeated or useless comments.

On topic: I really like the lists. I think its great too see what kind of public this site attracts.
Maybe you should add an option (I really know anything about programming, so dont hit me if this will never work) if someone chooses other in any list, a message will be send too a specific part of the site (that only you , or mods, can see) in that message people can describe what 'other' is. Maybe its something you missed, or its a small part of people who have that. That way (if you dont get too many 'others') you might still be able to include these in the statistics.

Thats it for now, keep up the great work man, love it
vinnie879`s Avatar
Rating Orb vinnie879 19 Netherlands MelancholicCholeric 79C 0F
6 years ago | (2)
It was suposed to be I really DON'T know...

sorry for the double post
orcris`s Avatar
Rating Orb orcris 16 United States MelancholicCholeric 85C 82F
6 years ago | (3)
You might want to add the accents to Baha'i Faith (Bahá'í Faith instead of Baha'i Faith).
Dreamgawd`s Avatar
Rating Orb Dreamgawd 17 Aruba SanguineCholeric 259C 76F
6 years ago | (2)
I would add disproportionate to the body types list and remove Scientology because... REALLY!?
Enzan`s Avatar
Rating Orb Enzan 21 Canada CholericPhlegmatic 7C 1F
6 years ago | (3)
Ban all Scientologists on sight. No debates. No second chances.
Dreamgawd`s Avatar
Rating Orb Dreamgawd 17 Aruba SanguineCholeric 259C 76F
6 years ago | (1)
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to ban it without debates. Maybe after the debate they can be banned. :D
Drostie`s Avatar
Rating Orb Drostie 26 Netherlands SanguineMelancholic 78C 65F
6 years ago | (4)
I'm confused by this comment. What exactly is your "REALLY?!" supposed to mean -- are you under the impression, say, that Scientologists don't exist? Or that they don't take their religion seriously? Or... what, exactly?
Dreamgawd`s Avatar
Rating Orb Dreamgawd 17 Aruba SanguineCholeric 259C 76F
6 years ago | (1)
The comment is partly joking and partly serious. I do think that calling Scientology a religion is a bit odd, but in the serious respect, I don't think this site will attract any "Scientologists," as the only stupid (for lack of a better word) people this site seems to attract happen to be trolls. I mean, I see where you're coming from, but I just don't see how this site will attract people who didn't even think the whole story through to see if it's logical or not.
You know, I've been known for expressing dislike toward theistic religions, but so far, the people on here who follow the Abrahamic religions have proven that they are very intelligent and capable people, something I rarely seem to come in contact with when it comes to theists and even a lot of atheists. The people on here have thought their stories through, which is why I think they are intelligent compared to others who share their beliefs or lack thereof. Even the people I argue with regularly are smart enough to argue back intelligently, instead of constantly spewing out either Bible/Qur'an quotes or the same "God cannot possibly exist!!!" quote without giving supporting evidence and detail or actually listening to my arguments and er... arguing with those arguments.
Perhaps it's due to the low popularity of the religion, but I have yet to hear of a Scientologist who has actually thought the story of Scientology through and questioned it. I have also yet to make an encounter with a Scientologist in order to argue with him or her. I do believe that I could be wrong, but so far, I stand by my first impression of the religion.

My personal thoughts on the legitimacy of Scientology relate to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, which gives freedom of religion rights and restricts the government from establishing or banning any religion. In my opinion, calling Scientology a religion is just a method people are using to scam others while being immune to government interference.
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Enzan`s Avatar
Rating Orb Enzan 21 Canada CholericPhlegmatic 7C 1F
6 years ago | (1)
It's not a religion. Not in any way. Scientology is a murder cult and nothing more. One of its primary tenets is that it is necessary to harm or kill anyone and everyone who opposes it, and they have on many occasions.
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Pseudolonewolf`s Avatar
Rating Orb A β Pseudolonewolf 23 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic 2257C 559F
6 years ago | (8)
What does 'disproportionate' mean as a physical build?

As far as I'm concerned, Scientology is no less ridiculous than religions like Islam or Christianity. They're all nonsense meant to manipulate people, it's just that one is based on money and sci-fi and the others are based on ancient books. I see no reason to exclude Scientology from the list.
ChaosTheory`s Avatar
Rating Orb ChaosTheory 16 Canada MelancholicSanguine 25C 7F
6 years ago | (5)
How could you blatantly say that religions like Islam or Christianity are all "nonsense" made to "manipulate" people. Im not religious but that probably pretty offensive to anyone who is.
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Dreamgawd`s Avatar
Rating Orb Dreamgawd 17 Aruba SanguineCholeric 259C 76F
6 years ago | (1)
It could mean having fat in awkward places but not looking fat.

Also, I could argue that the purposes of Islam and Christianity are no longer to manipulate, but for people who are seeking to be manipulated. I do agree that they are nonsense and that they're too specific to be true, but unlike these religions, I have doubts that Scientologists actually believe what they claim to believe.
Enzan`s Avatar
Rating Orb Enzan 21 Canada CholericPhlegmatic 7C 1F
6 years ago | (0)
Not to further grate upon a dead horse, but I'd recommend you avoid humouring Scientologists altogether. This is a thorough study on only a few of their policies and operations, and a Google search for Lisa McPherson and what they did to her will tell you plenty more. [LINK]
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Aetherus`s Avatar
Rating Orb Aetherus 20 Brazil MelancholicPhlegmatic 3C 0F
6 years ago | (2)
well I was going to say there is a lot of religions in the world and would be hard put all that in the database, but for that exists the others option (although I'm not sure if anyone would be happy to select others when their religion is not available)..
Aetherus`s Avatar
Rating Orb Aetherus 20 Brazil MelancholicPhlegmatic 3C 0F
6 years ago | (2)
as Celso said, in religions you are missing spiritism,also umbandism and Candomblé(look wikipedia if you want)
SajbTheSherlock`s Avatar
Rating Orb SajbTheSherlock 21 Serbia CholericSanguine 28C 0F
6 years ago | (4)
i don't know if someone posted this before but here it is
when you add a weight and height could you put kg for weight and cm for height too not only pounds, inches etc(if there is etc :D )
i don't want to use calculator to see how heavy i am
btw i like ancient religion
Celso`s Avatar
Rating Orb Celso 20 Brazil MelancholicPhlegmatic 23C 18F
6 years ago | (4)
Hello, I have some opinions about the lists,
First, there is the Spiritism missing,
And, about the option "unnatural hair", how would you display it? Most people that dye radically their hair don't describe themselves as "unnatural-haired dudes", but with super *color* hair, i think.
And, what is a 'heterochromatic' eye?
dragenrder`s Avatar
Rating Orb dragenrder 15 United States PhlegmaticCholeric 39C 8F
6 years ago | (2)
Hetrochromatic means having more then one eye color, in some places the chances of having this is up to 1 in 1000, the most common form of this is having one brown eye, and one blue one. while some other color combinations are available other forms and combinations are unheard of but theoretically possible. The closest example i could give you is this guy on X-men 2 or 3, the illusionist guy with the wheel chair pumping him full of drugs. (sorry if i sound all know it all, kind of sciency)
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