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Well, glad to hear your opinions. I am telling mine.
As a muslim, I don't believe in predictions. No one in this world knows what to happen in the futur, no matter how developped he is. And no matter what tools he is using.
So, I am surprised about all this 2012 thing. And I find it something silly. I don't think that anything special will happen that year, but, only god knows !
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I am sure that many of you know that story about the end of the world in 2012. Do you believe in it ?
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Good question you know. However I am impressed, you're muslim (as your profile says) and you finish your topic by saying no god. How odd ! O_o

Now as for your question, I am must say : god knows what to do ! I mean, I am sure that there are wise reasons for creating those diffrent animals and plants. But probably, we are not able to figure them now. Maybe other generations will. I am saying that as a muslim with a strong faith of god. And I am also sure that each race has a duty to do here. It is the Environmental balance and removing an element will trouble the enviroment.
Now for your signature, "Religion and Science were born to be enemies!". Who said that ? I mean, for my religion Islam. Science is counted as a path to heaven. And there are many sentences in Quran talking about benefits of science. And calling people to seek for Science. Also the scientist is well appreciated.

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This conversation is getting more and more exciting, thanks for joining Lyle !
And don't worry, I'll explain to you everything you just said. And to be honest, everything you said is true. It is all part of Islam. Now to details.

I had a post up there, about something called Hdoud in Islam which are punsihments for huge sins. Aldultery is part of them. But, for your informations dear Lyle not all who committ it is stoned to death. I'll explain. There are 2 types of adultery. First type is called "adultery of married" (I don't know if the translation is 100% correct). And that means that the one who committ it is married. And yeah, in that one he is stoned to death. There is a sentence in Quran talking about it. Second type is the "non-married adultery". From the name, it is when someone is not married committ it and he is not killed. I am not sure about the punishement though.
And as I said in the same post, no country in the world apply those punishements except KSA. Time has changed they say so religion must be changed.
And in order to discuss the other stuff, I must tell a little about histroy of my country and maybe some other countries such as Turkey.
Tunisia got its independence in the year of 1956. Those time, there were 2 famous tunisian leaders with diffrent political orientation. Opposite orientation to be clear. Those 2 leaders are : Habib Bourgiba and Saleh Ben Youssef. Bourgiba was secularist. He hated Islam. He stopped people from fasting in Ramadhan. He stopped women from wearing Hijab and he made himself god of this country. Also, he had a strong relationship with France (the country who colonized Tunisia since 1881). [LINK]
However, Ben Youssef was the opposite. His orientation was Islam. [LINK]
And so, Bourgiba hated Ben Youssef. He even commited a crime. He killed him ! Yes, Bourgiba assassinated Ben Youssef.
That way, the Islamic leader was out of the way and it was a new age for Tunisia. An age that remained for about 50 years under secularism.
What did that result ?
Islam in Tunisia is fading. It is getting weaker and weaker. Many things changed. Please check the other post for informations.
One of those things, is Hdoud. Those punishements are not applied here anymore. Also, there are some other things who came in. Such as beer, porc and many other stuff. You see, all what Bourgiba and Tunisian ex-president Zine Abidine Ben ali were doing for 50 years is making Tunisia, that Arab Muslim country, a peace of Europe or USA. In the way of living of course. I mean the clothes, the habits, the food....
So, here, there is a law which allows women to divorce men. Women are not forced to cover themselves. I am telling you guys, I am sure that women in USA,Australia or Europe are more decent then here !
And for "women not being able to marry non-islamic men". That rule is for men and women. And alas ! That rule is gone too ! And for polygamy. Yeah, men are allowed to marry how many women they like. But a woman are allowed of one husband. Anyway, polygamy is totally forbidding in Tunisia. And for separating religion and state, it is done here. As I said earlier. We are living in secularism here. And after our revolution here which resulted Zine Abidine Ben Ali (Tunisian-ex president) leaving the country, there is a 70% chance that we will be ruled by an Islamic party. 20% a secular one. And 10% communist.

That is the same thing for Turkey, here we had Bourgiba. There is Turkey, they had Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. [LINK]

And, unfortunately in KSA, they miss civilisation :P. They abuse women a lot. They consider her. as half person. And she is in fact the half of the community. And believe me, it is not part of Islam to not allow women to drive. That is injust. And Islam is not the religion of injustice.

My point is, yeah 90% of what you said is true. It is all part of Islam. But, it is not applied anymore. And I am really surprised, you know a lot about Islam.
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Hmmm, this is not going as well as I thought, maybe I should not have posted this at all.
Zeus, you did not offended anyone be sure of that, your opinion is welcome.
And for you dear Dreamgawd, I liked how you make a combination of religions. It is like you create your own religion. A fun idea
About, not worshiping one god, I think I have some arguments about this subject.
If there is more than one god as you say, would not that be bizarre. And they were be a lot of dfferences in the world, and even in human race. I mean that god create a human with one nose, one eye and three ears and the other creates a human with no eyes for exemple. I hope you got the point.
And also, maybe they would go into a fight, like the "gods" in the old Greek mythology. And would not it be hard to worship many gods at the same time. And maybe if you worship only Zeus (Greek mythology) maybe Ares will start a war against you. I took Greek mythology as an exemple because they worship plenty of gods

Anyway, as I said Dreamgawd, I respect your beliefs and I have no problem about them, I really like to discover other people religious views :-)
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Oops ! The post up is not complet. I had to go to sleep and did not finish it.
Anyway, Dreamgawd. To be honest, beeing muslim and then not beeing muslim is a huge mistake. How about you make a second thought ? :)
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Eh...What I am scared of. Those things.

"In Muslim countries that homosexuals are killed." Well, I won't say no. Also Zeus, you must know. Islam these days, is not like Islam in the days of Muhammad (Peace be upon him). The problem is, in lots of muslim countries such as my country Tunisia also Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and probably all the muslim countries except KSA and those gulf countries (Arghhhh ! I despise them ) the system ruling those country does not give much care to Islam. It also punish muslims. For exemple here, in the time of Tunisian Ex-president who was down after a revolution in 14/1/2011 women were not allowed to wear Hijab. Every guy they found out of the mosque from Alfajr prayer is busted like he did some crime and they send him to jail for long years he spend under torture. For what crime ? Doing there religious rituals in a country where its leader claims freedom and democracy ?
Anyway....
So, there are things in Islam called : Hdoud (arab word). Which are punishments for huge mistakes. Such as theft, drinking and 4 other things I am not sure about. Those punsihments are not used in my country and also the other countries I mentioned. I think that only KSA use them. But to be honest, KSA DOES NOT apply how they should be. I'll give you an exemple.
There, in KSA (which is were Muhammad was born "Peace be upon him") Tunisian-ex president Zine Abidine Ben Ali flee after a revolution this year. And the king Abd Allah welcome him even if Ben Ali did a lot of terrible things in Tunisia. He robbed a lot of money and gold of tunisian people. And as I said, theft deserves a punishement of Hdoud.
However, I heared that in KSA who steals a buck or two is punished.
Look at that !
Someone who steals a dollar is punished by cutting his hand off (yeah, the punishement is cutting the hand off)
And who steals millions of dollar and a lot of gold is welcomed !!

And by returning to what the punishment for robbery is, please don't think that Islam is bloody religion and every muslim will have one hand, no that is not true.
A while ago, in a book, I've read about a muslim leader called Imad Dine. This was in the middle ages, precisely during the crusaders wars. This leader apply Hdoud how they should. And that did not result a handicapped community. Because there is not need for robbery as long there is no poors or need for money. Citizens have all what they need. And also, punishing one robber will stop the others from eveing thinking of doing it.

Anyway, time to get to the conclusion : Yes, it is a part of Islam zeus, a part of Hdoud to kill homosexuals. And to be honest, beeing a homosexual is the biggest sin in Islam. But today, no country apply those punishments exept KSA. Yeah, I am afraid in that country homosexuals are killed.
For me, I don't have a problem with homosexuals. In fact, I never met one. I am neutral about it.
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"Slay the idolaters (unbelievers) wherever you find them", what do you mean by that ? I have read all the Quran, and I don't remeber finding a sentence like that ! It is not the Islam talk. However, there is a sentence which says :" No obligation in religion". Each one is free to choose his religion.
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Got it. You know David, I like you because you are acting like a real paladin. You help people who need helping. Thank you !
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Well, that is a good question. I am was also wondering about the answer.
For me, all I can say is that the Adventure Jacket is useless. I won't buy it anymore.
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